Often their face are also disfigured, their noses flattened. All sorts of terrible physical things can happen to those who involved in boxing. There were even some boxes like Chris Ewbank, who used to be a famous boxer in the UK, not the most successful of boxers, who said he would never want his son to be a boxer. And the only reason he did boxing was because he grew up in a poor family and for him it was his root out
Mark Francis Rahaman
@MarkR · 0:21
Hey there. So I'd like to know how you decided on comparing pornography to sport to boxing. How are they similar in any way? And what made you compare pornography to boxing?
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 4:36
And yet he can publicly state he does kickboxing because nobody looks down on that in shame because no, that's an admirable thing to do, to be a kickboxer, apparently, despite the fact that it is a promotion of violence and it is itself a violent activity. And yet to say that you're involved in pornography, nobody could publicly say that because you would be argued to be bringing the school or the business, whatever it is, into disrepute
Mark Francis Rahaman
@MarkR · 5:00
It's because of the competitiveness of it, the actual athletes themselves. And it's about the human spirit. It's about fighting spirit. The human spirit is an amazing thing. To overcome obstacles is why we survived as a human race. We've got the ability to overcome, and that boxing represents that in its purest form. Strange to me. It was a strange comparison. And you mentioned why you made that comparison
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 3:39
But in my opinion, sex is just something that's natural should be enjoyed. Boxing and fighting, period, combat, period, is just as natural, I think, to the to humanity, to nature, period. It just depends on which form it is
Habeeb Khan
@Habkhan26 · 3:35
Although at least in the recent few years, at least, I haven't heard of an incident where a boxer has been killed during a match. But at least for the viewers, there's nothing much negative experience that they are accepting through watching a boxing match on television. But with pornography, what happens is that it's very easy to get addicted to it. And I am one of those
phil spade
@Phil · 4:13
And especially when I sat on the Minnesota Boxing Commission, we had real concerns and we thought MMA was better suited to protect somebody from concussions because the second that you have unprotected blows to the head, the referee stops the fight. But in boxing, you can be concussed in round two and continue to get hit in the head for another eight rounds. And we were really concerned about that safety, especially what's come to light with CTE
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 4:57
And yet we know that somebody is a smoker because they smell of smoke. Up until 2007, the school that I taught at provided a smoking room for teachers to go to smoke in and they only got rid of it because by law they had to after 2007 and after having been in the smoke room, the teachers would then go in front of the class and then breathe their toxins over the students
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 4:52
If we're talking about the impact of India on the world, the Karmasutra even there are even Buddhist, not Buddhist Hindu temples that have statues of orgies and people having sex and genitals all around them, a religious building which portrays acts of sex. So for many Hindus, or at least for the Hindus, sex should not be seen as something that is indecent. And in fact that is a portrayal of sex
For anybody to indulge in something like that, for people to sit there and enjoy it and like it or whatever, it just shows their character and who there is. I'm sorry. I don't like p***. I used to watch it or whatever. That's when I was very well into the world and being very sinful in my body and needed to be fulfilled by watching. And I feel that people that watch it, they have to be fulfilled some type of way
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 2:31
But there's also people watching pornography who are not in relationships at all. They're not married. They're single people who want to be aroused. There's all sorts of reasons why people watch pornography. Some people watch it just to be aroused. Some people watch it because they like it visually. So you're assuming that people watch p*** maybe for the reason that you watched p*** when you watched p***
Swell Team
@Swell · 0:15
Mark Francis Rahaman
@MarkR · 5:01
They find it super empowering. Kids can do it, and there's no lucky to get hurt. And they learn something. They learn a skill. Like I said, it teaches discipline. I've been through that. Right. All the reasons why I thought I think boxing shouldn't be compared to pawn or why it isn't just a barbaric, barbaric activity
Mark Francis Rahaman
@MarkR · 4:50
Now, if I had a teacher was playing sport, whatever sport that was, or boxing, and they were good at it, I would admire that, because I don't want to know. How did they get so good. Now, like I said, the women that I speak to say that p*** is causing a problem, especially the younger generation, younger men, and men are becoming kind of like addicted to p***. You must have heard this
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 4:47
It is proven that there are some people who participated in boxing who, as a result of their brain damage, have died. So there are directly linked negative effects to boxing. There are no direct effects linked to pornography that you can claim either positive or negative. You can make the claim that because of pornography, such and such happened, but there are no proven direct effects, either positive or negative. Okay?
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 4:58
Why is it more valid to say that watching two people what I would describe as punching each other in the face you would describe as a noble art and you would say, but there are positive benefits to boxing. And I could say maybe, but there are also negative effects of boxing on society and on individuals who participate in it. And you would say to me, yes, but pornography is a disgusting thing. Only two people should be doing that. There are negative things
But I'm not a fan of boxing to even put it out there of how disgusting it is for people to be punching themselves in the face. And boxing and p*** shouldn't even be considered to be comparable just because it's both entertainment no, I totally disagree. Or whatever, because they're not even in the same category as far as the fulfillment. People don't get roused up sexually when they're watching boxing
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 5:00
You can surmise, you can draw some conclusions, but you cannot prove it. Equally, you're saying that people don't get roused from watching boxing. They don't get roused sexually, maybe not, but they may get roused in an aggressive and violent way. Again, but I can't prove it
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 4:57
Most of us men have mothers if we don't have sisters, if we don't have aunts, we all have grandmothers most of us that we know or did know at some point, many of us have female cousins and an awful lot of us have close female friends as well. We don't base our views on women by what we see in pornography films. So the idea that we just see something and then monkey it freaks
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 4:57
The United States of America has the highest of those in the world. And yet these are countries where sex, anything and everything related to sex has been for a very long time, although it is now improving, possibly because of the widespread consumption of pornography and us as a society being forced to talk about it. But for a very long time those countries have treated sex as something which we don't talk about. It's been stigmatized in many ways
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 0:27
Okay. So I just have a question. I'm kind of curious what you say. The way they film the sex, is it what they're doing on the the film that's disgusting to you, the actual sex? Or is it the fact that they're getting filmed while doing it? Is that what you find disgusting?
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 2:29
So some people do, some people p*** is not for everybody, you know what I mean? Boxing is not for everybody. Everything is not for everybody. There's people in the world that don't like a lot of things. They like what they like, like everybody. Everybody likes what they like. So I don't knock you for that. But boxing and p*** can be compared. You can compare any forms of entertainment
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 2:37
But it is about watching people fornicating and indulging in sexual intercourse, which you may or may not like watching just as much you may or may not watching men or women punching each other in the face. But that activity is deemed as by some people immoral, disgusting, stigmatized. People have lost their jobs because they haven't done that. And it carries with the same amount of controversy and fewer provable negative Khan boxing stuff. So that's why I choose to compare those two
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:48
It's just something I think pornography makes as much money as it does because it is taboo, I feel. Whereas boxing, I think, because of its machoesque, bravado, masculine nature, I think that's why it's so popular and it's dangerous, but it's swell. Not something at least that I know of, that everyone watches
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 4:59
One is not better than the other although personally, from my perspective, my morality is I think sexual intercourse is a more morally acceptable event whether you're doing it privately or watching it than punching somebody in the face whether you're doing that personally or viewing it. I get the arguments for and against boxing. I get the fact that it helps people out of poverty, although it shouldn't, really
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:43
And it's interesting for me to think of someone who would pay to see p**** in this day and age. But at the same time, sex workers has branched off into many different avenues besides just boy girl pornography, but also pornography in essence. Like when we're talking about film here, vivid and Bang Brothers and those sorts of things, they sell an idea. Not exactly. It's performative sex. It's sex that behind the scenes
Lance Watson
@lwatsonjr · 4:47
If we take the really as bad as in this comparison or contrast between the two, what we have is really how bad is pornography and how bad is boxing? And I just wanted to offer my two cent cast my lot before the audience here on this swell cast, just to think about that dissecting the question, that's sort of my cognitive process of preference is to deconstruct the question. And I love debating and I love talking about things. I love critically thinking about things
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 3:16
You also make another really good point in your previous WorldCast about the fact that almost all, if not all, progresses and advances in audiovisual technology, in cameras and videography, came because of man's, literally man's motivation to film people having sex. The moment a camera was invented, one of the first things that was photographed were erotic images
Benedict Garrett
@Bendi_G · 2:27
I maybe should have given a bit more attention to exactly how I phrased it because, as you said, the pros of the question is incredibly important. But, yes, I was trying to compare something that is deemed even though widely viewed and probably wider viewed than boxing in a global sense. So in that sense, is it good? Because it's widely viewed? And I think it was interesting how you bring up that point or something to think about, but it's not treated