You. I met Ronjan back in 2004. In 2003, I co founded Concrete Software, where we created some early days apps for the old flip phones. And as we progressed, we needed to figure out how to sell the apps. And at that time, you know, the walled gardens were all the different carriers and there were a couple different sites as well that sold apps. So in 2004, I went to my very first show ever, which was CES