You don't have the freedom to say whatever you want on social media. It doesn't recognize the rights you have as an American citizen. It's not the same thing as the freedom of press that you can just criticize whoever you want. You still have to advise by guidelines and rules within these social media platforms. The usual stuff. Of course, it's out of line when you're harassing people, threatening lives or you're speaking extreme hate speech. Yes, that's some crazy stuff
Ray Garraud
@RunCoachRay · 1:31
Social media and incite violence, shouting fire in a crowded theater and causing a panic is not protected speech. So let's look at it this way. Let's think of Twitter and Facebook as the modern day theater. So you just can't cause a panic on social media. Of course, there's free speech. You could say all kinds of wild things. But when it gets to a point where it's causing panic, it's inciting violence. That's where I think it has to stop
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:05
Mr. Gerard, thank you, as always, for participating in any conversation I have. And you brought up some great points. Great points indeed. As the leader of a nation weaponizing, his ideals, as it were, can be most harmful to us all. And it sets new precedent in regards of what you can and cannot do on social media. But there's one thing that is fascinating to me. Twitter is the same place where you can post pornography
Ray Garraud
@RunCoachRay · 1:48
Yeah. Dewuan, you bring up a couple of good points. Let me also say that as with all controversial decisions, there's gonna be pros and cons. Some people are going to be gay and others. Ray right. But but perhaps this is the beginning of something new. Like you said, some form of new social media, something different. People are watching. People are listening. Maybe they want something new
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:31
So Saturday Night Live did nothing but just made him more popular, more ubiquitous and arguably one of the most influential presidents we have ever had. For better or worse now, because I mean, literally saturated all over the interwebs and everywhere his name, I would dare say more than Obama, I would say probably two or three times more than Obama. And I'm wondering, too, what does Trump set a level in terms of presidency? How important is it now for a President to have influence?
Bernie Goldbach
@topgold · 0:35
Don I just want to say that fair play to Twitter and Facebook for standing up and impeaching and removing the President of the United States. Bold, effective and well, welcome. We need better social discourse, not this rabble, rousing, partisan building exchange of opinions that is fueled by social. And then I promoted for advertising dollars by Fox and Friends. Bye for now
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:54
Because back in the day, social media was run by people that were paid like PR managers and all that sort of stuff. But now the influence is so great that actual people are running it. So what happens when Biden one day responds to somebody and says something kind of crazy? Will he be at risk for getting banned one day?
Bernie Goldbach
@topgold · 5:00
I think we're going to be back to the place where some trusted voice will mimic Biden's, and someone like Biden will be active on social, but only because somebody else tells him what they're about to say in his behalf and what it means because it's too hard to keep up. How you express yourself on Pinterest and what you pin is different than how you might put on your photo albums with a different title or different kind of reflective thought process
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:58
Yeah, Bernie, let's not get you in trouble now, but you brought up great points. And surely Trump is the acting President of the United States. So he has influence in ways. Is that us? You and I don't. But also hasn't social media come to such a great place? Not a great place. But it's come such a long way for the President of the United States to use it daily. He's using it daily
Bernie Goldbach
@topgold · 3:25
Yeah, dawn, the big thing that's changed is social is the news. Just like you're saying. Trump's tweets were made newsworthy. They were the makers of some of the Fox News people go he fed them and they amplified him. He live tweeted a lot of Tucker Carlson, for example. Interesting stuff
Ray Garraud
@RunCoachRay · 2:38
In fact, Twitter said that between Election Day and the day that he was banned, they flagged over 200 tweets that were not factual or disinformational or questionable. 200 and some other fact checking organizations that I've identified over 4000 tweets over the last four years, maybe more that were disinformation, questionable or not factual. So this man is just as I said, an anomaly. It just has never happened before
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 3:26
And as far as Biden, yes, he's probably not going to get banned on social media, but I do think he will become a bit more cavalier and even encouraged to do so by his political party by his cabinet due to the fact that social media is the number one place to connect directly with the people, whereas television is not at least at the moment as we spoke about earlier. But anyway, thank you very much, sir. Shake my hands with the firm grip. Why?
Tim Ereneta
@Tim · 2:45
Point out that Jack Dorsey and people like Mark Zuckerberg, all the CEOs of tech companies are now more powerful than the President of the United States. I think that's going to freak out Washington, and there may be legislation in Congress to break up Facebook to reduce the power of these tech Titans. And so I think in order to avoid that, people like Jack Dorsey of Twitter are going to be much more aggressive police of the content they're hosting and shut it down at the least amount of complaint
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:56
Yeah, with him being shut out, a President of the United States, will there be some government social media run thing to which they have their own version of Twitter that the public can adhere to, but at the same time, they have more control in what they can say
Unity Eagle
@UnityEagle · 0:13
This made me think would swell Ben Trump if he would come on here. Just wondering
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 1:29
Hey, Trump cannot come on our platform, and it probably could blow up Swell a little bit more. But yeah, I do kind of wonder how that conversation would go here with a conservative in the midst. Yeah, I purposely on my Facebook have conservative friends and Democrats and other various types because I just like variety. I don't like when it's too much of one side of a conversation
Unity Eagle
@UnityEagle · 0:25
To Eagle. Yes. Same here. I love listening to both sides of the story like you do. And then listen to all the different perspectives of people. I makes it way more interesting indeed. So let's wait and see
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 3:50
I'd be fascinated to know how the profits of these so called social media companies have been impacted positively by Donald Trump and by the sensationalism and by the people that want to promote misinformation disinformation. It's good for people to it's good business because people come to the platform because they're outraged, and then they get engaged and then because they're there, they get hooked again, and then they keep reeling them in and they keep serving ads. They make a ton of money
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 1:56
Oh, in addition to not only Donald Trump being banned everywhere or whatever in terms of the should he be banned, we might not be looking at it through the right it lends because the reason that Twitter and Facebook and have taken the actions they did is because of the potential for a third party liability lawsuit, same reason that Parlor was removed from the Apple ecosystem and from the Google Play Store and Amazon Web Services has canceled their account and basically put them out of business
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:06
He's done almost as much as Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey. You know, CEO of Twitter, Jack Dorsey and Zuckerberg of Facebook. And Mark my words, in the next four to five years, they're going to find their way to bring him back on here. I mean, even look at the top trending topics. He's still a trending topic, even though he has been banned. Still is talked about on universally all platforms
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 2:34
Mr. Wonderful, you got a star. A gold star? What the h*** is a star on swell. I don't know what a star is. I've never been starred. I'm starless. My goodness. Isn't it interesting? Like you say, even we're talking about him. What does that say about us? As a race? Supposedly an intelligent, critical thinking race that we're so easily
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:08
But I guess this is one of the first topics where it involved levels of free speech and that sort of stuff where I'm passionate about. I realize I'm very passionate about censorship and all that sort of stuff, even though I'm learning a lot of Conservatives are defending Trump in this same regard. So I guess some of our Ideologies align
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 1:10
How is that free that we now have to self edit and moderate ourselves to such a degree, to be socially acceptable, either to self edit and moderate ourselves, to get stars, to get the gold stars, or to not get banned, or whatever is that freedom of speech? I don't know
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:03
Youtube is trying to do that. Twitter is trying to do that, and they are failing miserably. They're not doing a good job. These algorithms are not doing so good now, but pretty soon the codes are going to get sophisticated enough to where they will be doing a better job. And unfortunately, a consequence of that is we will be impeded by that process
I think this is in Twitter's best interest to do for the fact that there is no way that Trump would keep his mouth shut over the next two period. And the best thing we can do is try to simmer down the situation. It is a dangerous precedent to set, because if we have, let's say, a President on the left who wants to do lots of workers rights that would affect Twitter, he may be able to ban them storming the capital
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:12
This was a President of the United States that had a strong link to an attack on the White House. Very powerful stuff. And yeah, I think this to a certain degree, we have reached the height of influence in what social media can become. And as we move forward, it will be interesting to see how we regulate such means of communication, free communication amongst all demographics and ideologies
So your right wing party, your left wing party, the Democrat, is effectively a right wing party, and your right wing party is so far to the right that it becomes fringe. It would be regarded as fringe by most other developed nations, whether it be in Europe, Australia, or parts of East Asia. That's why it may seem like they're taking out a mainstream politician, which is pretty rare
phil spade
@Phil · 4:51
And that's when I'll go back to freedom of speech? And what are you protected for from freedom of speech or what are you not protected from? And that is anything that is dangerous and untrue now dangerous can be defined very differently across. And now untrue can also be very loosely defined. And I think that's because largely to Donald Trump's Twitter account, I think when people say, I think Ray said, people are realizing enough is enough
And if the message amplifies, that's a problem, I do think that bigger accounts should be held to more of a high standard. For the same reason, the upstanding members of the community should probably held a high standard. Police officers, politicians, any member who has a following should probably have a bit of a higher standard on what they're allowed to say. Automation is a whole other conversation, but I'd love to get your thoughts on it again. It's about 03:00 a.m
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:52
But of those 30 followers, he's preaching this ideology, this rhetoric, this zealot like nature of things, and he gets people influenced to do things. Will he get banned permanently from social media? How are we going to police that? I don't know if we have the technology yet to do as such. I mean, with the bigger names like the Trumps and as Mr. Hillard put out, various other members of Congress and big political figures and whatnot easy to police them in a way
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 4:56
We end relationships based on the words that people say because it reveals a certain intent. But the thing that hasn't been spoken of is that plus the cumulative effect of what we listen to, who we listen to and the content of what's spoken to us, either in real life in a synchronous fashion or an asynchronous fashion. Time shifted, like here within swell the fact that it's time shifted, the words we say, how we say them matter, it creates trust. Our words destroy trust