So in that regard, what I'm doing is I'm putting out here, I'm going to provide a link for you of this particular. I made some notes because I've been thinking this through and really contemplating this. We need to become ourselves as individuals because we can't wait for our leaders to do this. We have to we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we need pragmatic innovators visionaries to learn is to confront reality
But I'm not sure how often we find innovators or visionaries in roles of leadership because they're risky in some ways to the general public. And then the pragmatic person. I would say there's probably a few of those in leadership, but a lot of the time it's really about the popular person or the one who had the best message that was embraced by the largest number of people
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 5:00
I think with other innovative minds, I don't even think they really need politics to kind of exist. And I think maybe in some part the innovation exists because of politics and the lack of innovation there. So to get that into a branch of government, I don't know how that would work. Somebody smarter than me probably will figure it out. But I think also, too. Do they even care about politics?
Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 2:28
But I think people are so entrenched. And the World Health Organization was sort of that vision. They were going to make policy and help everything sort of be one clear vision. And that's kind of falling apart because this is a new era of isolation, of social dilemmas. To quote, a movie of fear based behaviors. Empathy is the ingredient that is missing, though I agree caring for your neighbor as you care for yourself
So you can't always choose all of group A is in this part of the city, right? Because you're going to have birds of a feather all living in the same area and you need in order for the economy to be good. And for so many other reasons, you need to have a mixture of people from different economic classes. This is like super complex and would take a lot of thought and consideration. But I wonder if it could work
Such a good point, Deborah, if we don't care for ourselves, then how can we care for others? I think, too, there's this emphasis of individualism to such a degree of, you know, so many comments being made about not being being a sheeple, not being a part of all that and bucking the system just for the sake of bucking it because there's a desire to be different. But I think in the long run, this causes we need community
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 3:38
I don't think there are any politicians that are really successful in trying to get people to do a certain thing go a certain way, but we need to have a more national dialogue in Canada. We need to have these conversations. It's not going to be easy. There's so much in what you shared. And then there's so many other people here. I really appreciate your response. And I think to Dewan, other innovators are not respected. They're the crazy ones, right?
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 3:32
How do you care for your neighbor if you don't care for yourself? Those are very powerful and profound words. And where Christine is, I think it's coming from is a very aspirational place. And I think that's what I'm arriving at is we have to get out of survival thinking. We still need to find an equilibrium between survival thinking and what will it take for me to feel like I'm thriving again? Maybe we've forgotten how to dream
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 1:19
And that is a huge societal issue that we can't if we're unable to communicate in such a way that people can see the consequences of their actions and see the opportunity that lies within to make a better world for themselves. Maybe they just fatalists. The mindset of this stuff is just mind boggling to me
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 2:34
But Taiwan, Taiwan has been this amazing example. I think they've only had, like, a total of 400 cases and two deaths, but they have a very different society there. But they're very transparent about the data. They track the cell phone movements. And if there's a breakout in your neighborhood, everybody there knows because they send messages out. So other there's poor people become lepers, I guess. But then you can avoid being exposed
And on the one end of the long board is your meal, and you can take it off the board. And so there is like no possibility of being in contact with another person, really, except for whoever you're dining with. I mean, that's just like one example. There are so many around the world if we could only pull them together. And if only people were amenable to trying something new, but definitely it's got to come from the leadership
Samuel Lacuna
@Sarlax · 4:58
Excellent discussion so far. I think we critically need more pragmatism and vision in our political decisionmaking and social decisionmaking, but we can't get that from our leaders unless we, as voting decision makers, practice it ourselves. One of the flaws I think we have in our leadership selection process, at least in the US, is that almost never do we ask the candidates questions that would reveal their overall style of problem solving. What we usually ask them is their opinion on something that's happening right now
Michael Zeitgeist
@Zeitgeist · 4:43
Because commonly, particularly in the United States, or, I would argue, almost globally, the idea for pragmatic innovation is immediately ascribed to the idea of profiteering of gaining an advantage over somebody else, and particularly in the United States. I believe it is quite pronounced in that my success must also mean your demise because the corporate spirit does not allow for coexistence
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 4:04
I came across a very interesting study that was done on moral choices and how different age groups approach their morality differently. And if you adjust what you say, they can then morally embrace it by shifting, simply simply adjusting how you say something. It can be in alignment with their morals or being direct contrast with their morals. I think it's very interesting. I have to create a different swell on that, but I'm really glad you weighed in here zeitgeist and merely human
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 0:10
So this just a quick update, but I linked to my updated whiteboard, including creative tension and altruism
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 4:19
So I find by zooming out and taking the bigger picture, I can see more of the landscape. I don't get lost in the details. And what happens is that allows me to see a much bigger landscape. Now, if you've ever flown in an airplane, when you're on the ground, things look a certain way shortly after takeoff
Samuel Lacuna
@Sarlax · 4:58
That's kind of what I'm thinking about with systemic reform took a little break there because I wanted to think about reforming the presidential selection system and I started wondering, Is it kind of miss working in a sense like it's not doing what the founders thought it would do. But we're kind of forcing it to do what we want it to do
Samuel Lacuna
@Sarlax · 4:48
Why isn't America or for countries who aren't taking actions like this, why aren't they doing that? Can we reconfigure our system to create vision? What if, in the 2022 ballot congressional elections coming up, there was a new line item for the country, for your state, for your county and for your town, and in each line, it just said, what do you want our country to be focused on for the next ten years or the next 20 years?
Sreeja V
@Wordsmith · 1:42
Vision might be to prepare for a world which might need to brace itself for many such issues, and creatively communicate the need to deal with all of these issues together. For example, leadership could have set the tone by wearing masks, and I'm sure there would have been sort of emulation happening at the ground level. Many approaches could work well, but for that to happen. As Seeking Plum mentioned, empathy must be at the base of it all
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 1:44
Hey, word. Smith, thanks very much for weighing in. You know, that's a very it's a very good point. The collective consciousness when I mean, there is I think of it as group think. I think that's one of the casualties of the pandemic is a casualty, but also groupthink is a casualty to a certain way. There are certain unspoken expectations in our society. And I think those got destroyed for a lot of people or some people got more rigid
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 2:54
But somebody somewhere has to have a vision far enough out that they are willing to pursue it. And, of course, a longer term vision will require major restructuring, rethinking, reengineering reimagining how things are going to work and a whole bunch of what we might term failure to try and experiment and figure it out. But we don't reward that failure, except in science. We don't reward discovering something in business that fails. We don't reward that. We penalize that
And so we have this constant fluctuation. And I think some of that comes from the leadership themselves and how they do things, their perspective on things, and some of that comes from the changing culture, changing times. And because a country is made up of so many people, so many different diverse perspectives, I think it's harder to reduce that fluctuation like you could do in a company
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 4:33
Sometimes I think it celebrates war, but that's a different conversation for another day. And if you're American listening to this, I've offended you. I apologize. It's just a narrow minded Canadian perspective. But at some point, as you get older, you realize that you've been literally standing on the shoulders of Giants, those that have gone before you realize that you wouldn't have what you have, you wouldn't be able to articulate and speak and make the decisions you have
Samuel Lacuna
@Sarlax · 4:42
I don't know, but I do like to think that there could be such a kind of government body, not a legislative body per se, but almost kind of like a court system, maybe Proactive that is executing on the agendas put forth by the people and seeing to it that other government bodies, the Department of the Interior, Department of Energy, Department of Education, whoever has to be involved if they're doing what they need to do, kind of keeping an eye to make sure that politically and bureaucratically the US is moving in the right direction